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This page is not for adding in art. It is simply for join requests and other discussion.

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There have been chararts on the approval page since /February/, guys. Honestly - it's a bit ridiculous. I'm proposing something; I'm a senior warrior on WW, so I have the experience and know what to do - maybe I could CBA and approve images here until activity of our senior warriors picks up? Just temporarily, since I'm rather active. Okay, I don't comment a lot, but that can easily be fixed. I always look at this wiki multiple times everyday to see if anything has changed; so it's a perfectly good idea. It's just a suggestion, so feel free to object.  Sorrel Radiant, honest & you're beautiful ♫ 23:58, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

I think we would need a lead's opinion. Stoem is a lead, and an admin, and  I can talk to Neha easily, and Leggy fairly easily, so I can see what we can do. nervousbreakdance 00:05, 11/13/2014

I actually did talk to Leggy, and she said that we could maybe start CBA-ing/declining things, but make the period 48 or 72 hours or something, I'm not exactly sure...my memory's crap rn, but I do recall her saying something along those lines. —.neha you are my everythingShoonSigImage. 02:32, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

This project has just been so slow lately, I personally am in favor of closing it temporarily; at least until any activity picks up. But I did suggest CBA-ing or declining images, and giving them 72 hours, so that as many people can see them as possible before we approve any. —Leggy 03:03, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Why not have a 3 or 2 charart limit? It'll give SW's less approving to do, and that way Users can focus on a few chararts instead of multiple. I know it currently says 3 originals up at a time, and 3 redos, but it hasn't been followed lately (I'm one of those people, whoops x3). It could just be 3 chararts per User up at a time period, no matter if it's a re-do or completely new...At least until activity of the Project picks up.Nyan2Silverstar Nyan 21:24, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

I actually agree with Leggy. Closing it may be the best option since we have like one senior member active at the time. And I thought it was stated that we could have as many as we could handle lmao nervousbreakdance 22:25, 11/13/2014

I'm in agreement, but if activity doesn't pick up won't it be closed down for awhile? That may drop activity to the wiki too. (Also Silverwhisker no the limit since the blank redo period was as many as a person can handle.)   Tumblr nbibjqyP7A1r33emjo1 250K y 8975.resizedKnowledge is Limited... 22:33 Thu Nov 13

I agree with Leggy as well- closing down the project for a while could be beneficial, since there's not many people active. And yeah, Kels, it would be, but there aren't very many people active right now, so even if we did keep it open, there would be very few people commenting/CBA-ing etc, which is basically what we've got right now. —.neha you are my everythingShoonSigImage. 00:41, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Well since this discussion has started, the wiki has gained more activity. So in my own opinion, I don't see necessary to entirely put the project on hold. As in more edits are flying around. Though a quick thought could be a 24hr/or something like that thing with the images and if no comments arise, they can be archived as approved? It would clean up the page quicker, and get a small system going too.

But maybe the Project could go through some sort of 'spring-cleaning'? Like a reshuffle with the members, and even some updates in who's active/left the wiki since the main page's last edit. Because half the senior warriors aren't entirely on the wiki any more, so why can they keep their rank? Even with a general lack of editing on the page, it's still something that could be addressed. — #seaworldsucks Thu Jan 29 20:46

Spring cleaning would be good. That member list is very outdated. What say you, PCA? nervousbreakdance 23:25, 01/30/2015

I agree with ferk. We should just archive images that gone for 2 days without comments. Since there are a TON of images up for approval here. IDK though, it's not like I get to decide or something. ~ Fox ☁️ I Swear I Lived ☁️ 09:01, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Non-pregnant queen blanks

Like warriors wiki, I think we should have non-pregnant queen blanks, too. These are for cats who stayed in the nursery without kits/caring for foster kits. We could tweak the queen blanks, idk. ~ Fox ☁️ I Swear I Lived ☁️ 08:58, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, that hasn't happened for any cats. Cats who have fostered kits were usually already nursing others. giaria time on my side 11:33 Mon May 11

You're right about the Foster mothers. But also for cats like Daisy, Ferncloud, Palebird, and Goldenflower in the Warriors series, they got one. Idk if any cats in this site are like Daisy though. ~ Fox ☁️ I Swear I Lived ☁️ 11:50, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think that their a big enough group to require a blank, but there is actually one that I know of. However, she doesn't have a page. Hyalite   ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ 13:27, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

I had a cat at one time who was a foster mom, Branchheart which was for Silverflower's kits. Also, so was Rainface for Luckshine's kits. Rainy is da... BANANA QUEEN! 15:11, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

The amount of cats this blank would be used for is an extreme minority. I don't think it's warranted, though the project leads may say otherwise. (I also think there's an ongoing discussion to use TSF queens for all queens, but I may be wrong on that.) giaria time on my side 16:25 Mon May 11

I'm gonna have to agree with Gia. Unlike the Warriors series, we don't have that many perma queens, if any. Those who do have a perma queen are free to tweak the blanks themselves, but a blank posted on the main page is quite unnecessary, in my opinion. —.neha you are my everythingShoonSigImage. 16:47, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'll give my two cents on this and say we don't need them as perma-blanks since we're not even done making the important ones yet like loners, cave-guards, etc. People can tweak them to make them skinny, so I think the use of blanks for such a small number of cats is unneeded. Heck maybe it'll be a possibility when we're actually done with the other blanks and we get more permaqueens, but for now it's not required.   Tumblr nbibjqyP7A1r33emjo1 250K y 8975.resizedKnowledge is Limited... 19:21 Mon May 11

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Stoem, and say the discussion should maybe be 'postponed' a little until all the necessary blanks are finished, and then they can be considered. Suntail was a perma-queen, so I know they exist, it's just a question of numbers. I don't know. :) Raven~ stresseed + overdressed (: 20:14, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say that it should be an option to tweak the blanks, but not required. giaria time on my side 20:45 Mon May 11

i say we just have like a user put the blank on their charart page, so it's not like official, but it's there if we need it, and so they dont all look different when it does happen. or we could add like an 'alt blanks' subpage to the project, so we can have the like persian blanks, scottish folds, british shorthairs, orientals, and other tweaks all in one place and we dont have to track people down, but they also dont need to go through the long approval process. more of a convenience thing tbh. thoughts? nervousbreakdance 14:35, 05/18/2015

I like Ferk's idea of having a subpage for Alternate blanks. That way, when they are needed they can easily be accessed, and it is easier to see what alternates we have for any required builds. Generally anything that makes a convenience will get my vote though so. But the only negative I can see happening here is the page getting forgotten, or as Ferk said, heavy inconsistencies begin appearing. Maybe if one artist does a certain tweak, they might be able to have a say in if they could do a set? Or something like that. #seaworldsucks 22:53 Mon Jan 11

Also might I ask about where that discussion ended up about using the TSF as the sole queen blanks? Because I don't think anyone mentioned what the final decision was for that idea. #seaworldsucks 20:30 Sat Jan 16

Charart Alts

I think it should be allowed to make alts for description changes, etc. instead of just scarring. I know this would only apply to a few cats, but I don't see the harm in it. Thoughts? giaria time on my side 20:59 Fri May 15

<poke> hello friends i'd like an opinion on this giaria time on my side 15:11 Mon May 18

depends on how drastic the change is. if a cat is orange and white on their page, and theyre described as a brown tabby, that'd apply, but if a solid black cat was described with white paws, that's too minor. also saying a dark brown cat is just brown, it wouldnt matter, but if it was described as light brown, that's two shades away, so i'd say yes. we'd need neha and leggy's opinon, as well as the rest of the SWs id think. nervousbreakdance 15:16, 05/18/2015

I honestly don't think they're necessary. Sure, the extra chararts would be fun to make, but I think if you named a brown tabby a silver tabby by accident, it wouldn't warrant an alt, since these aren't exactly official characters and it was very clearly a mistake since it would contradict the page. They're only used on WWiki to serve as alternate references, since we can't tell for certain which description is the canon one, and so we have alternates for the potential descriptions that have been mentioned less. However, we do need the alts for cats like Half-face and Spiderstorm, for 'before-and-after' images. (e.g before and after) But really, I don't think they're needed otherwise. — Fez   talk  15:27, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

I know they're not necessary, but why not allow them? If people wanna make the chararts for alternate descriptions, they might as well be allowed. lana, how I hate those guys 18:23, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

But like, the people making the chararts or dictating the chararts are their owners and often their creators. There's no reason for the mistakes in the first place, and what if people just start listing off different patterns only for the chararts? Most characters don't have a single image, so I don't see the need for more images. —Leggy 04:09, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sort of objective on this, as since these characters will belong to the owners, why shouldn't they be allowed to do whatever they want with their characters and make chararts for them in this sense. (I already think PCA is objective on this website in general since these characters belong to us and not to an entire book series like, say, WW.) Although I see the issue that people will start to make these mistakes on purpose, so maybe we should monitor it or put a limit on how many alts can be made for this reason.   Tumblr nbibjqyP7A1r33emjo1 250K y 8975.resizedKnowledge is Limited... 18:16 Sat Dec 26

I'm gonna have to agree with Leggy on this one. Alts are used on WW because they make images of canon characters who've been described with multiple descriptions differing from the primary one. Here, we create our own characters, and if we want to change the description, we do so. There's no reason to make alts for our characters, because they're described the way we chose to make them. If someone wants to make a tabby as an alt, they can just make an entirely new character and make it a tabby. There's really no reason for this on a roleplay wiki. We're not an encyclopedia like WW is, so I really don't find this necessary. —.neha you are my everythingShoonSigImage. 18:32, December 26, 2015 (UTC)

join?

May I please Join? Lilac-Chan ( Talk ) 14:25, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Join..?

I was a member before I deleted my old account. May I be re added..? xSadistic Psychopathx 09:02, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, adding you in now —.neha you are my everythingShoonSigImage. 19:24, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Can I be added to the apprentices, please? c: Every day is a second chance... 13:10, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Can I be added in as a senior warrior? Flame be the change that you wish to see in the world 02:44, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

you have to be nominated to become a sw fam nervousbreakdance 02:51, 12/5/2015

heh okay how do i become nominated? :) Flame be the change that you wish to see in the world 14:29, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Someone has to nominate you if they think youre ready for it, but seeing as u just rejoined id give it time nervousbreakdance 18:38, 12/5/2015

aight, could you add me in as a apprentice for now? Flame be the change that you wish to see in the world 19:10, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

i have to add you in as a kit unless you'vw gotten a charart approved before nervousbreakdance 19:13, 12/5/2015

oh okay. add me in as a kit, then. c: Flame be the change that you wish to see in the world 19:15, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

aight so i looked at this and i think eclipseshade was approved or cba'd. so uh, could i or is this still a no? sticks and stones may break my bones but words just might kill me. 00:50, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Re-join

Hi, I would like to re-join the project as I was here before but I left the wiki for a long time, but I'm back.

I wonder how biology can explain the physical pain you feel in your chest when all you want to do is be with someone

~Dan Howell

12:58, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

O course, ill add you in when i get on the computer nervousbreakdance 18:38, 12/5/2015

Thank You ^^

I wonder how biology can explain the physical pain you feel in your chest when all you want to do is be with someone

~Dan Howell

18:48, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Female Blanks

So, I think its time to discuss this, and with this same issue being passed on Warriors wiki too, we should talk about it too.

So, do we honestly need female blanks? On this website, we have far more genders than just male and female, and having one blank to show every gender cat seems reasonable (plus anyway, why does there need to be a cat with eyelashes to show female, like there is absolutely no necessary difference needed to show a cat's gender difference) So yeah, I think most of you get the jist of what I am saying without having to go into loads of detail. So, suggestions?   Tumblr nbibjqyP7A1r33emjo1 250K y 8975.resizedKnowledge is Limited... 19:13 Thu Dec 24

I agree with this whole-heartedly. What's the point of having the gendered blanks if irl cats don't typically look any different according to gender? lana, how I hate those guys 18:22, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

I also agree, it's pretty silly to have female blanks, if someone really wants to know the gender of cat just look at the description. I want to Believe 👽 19:44, December 25, 2015 (UTC)Ospreypaw

Agreeing with all the points raised here. I believe it works, because ever since WW picked up on the idea, a lot of other wikias seem to be following in suite. So why shouldn't we? After all, as stated, there is no sexual dimorphism other than male cats being typically larger than the females. No eyelashes. #seaworldsucks 22:56 Mon Jan 11

^^all points above nervousbreakdance 00:15, 01/12/2016

so is this going to be implemented or   Tumblr nbibjqyP7A1r33emjo1 250K y 8975.resizedKnowledge is Limited... 15:41 Tue Mar 29

Can I join?

can I join the project?

Falcon 49 (talk) 22:37, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

Of course, make sure to check out the guidlines for the project, and the tutorials. nervousbreakdance 22:22, 03/25/2016

Join?

Can I please join? Maplepaw (talk)


Of course, make sure to check out the guidlines for the project, and the tutorials. nervousbreakdance 22:22, 03/25/2016

Tweaking blanks

Is there a limit to how much we can tweak the blanks? Because for my newest characters, they're almost miniature dragons? Would it be worth doing a cat image as a main image, and then a heavily tweaked one as an alternate? Or could I just do the one? Blue eyes by ravenm White Lightning Attack! (talk) 04:16, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Redflare.warrior this is what I've done so far. I've tried matching the pose and placement of the body to the original blank, but it's still pretty obvious this isn't a cat. So is this okay to do or not? Blue eyes by ravenm White Lightning Attack! (talk) 04:41, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

This is totally fine yo, if your character is a dragon-cat then its fine to tweak them as much as you need to to fit the character since I'm guessing their in TWC? (also that tweak is awesome .o.)   Tumblr nbibjqyP7A1r33emjo1 250K y 8975.resizedKnowledge is Limited... 15:40 Tue Mar 29

Fine with me. Hell, I wish I could do tweaks like that... [screams] nervousbreakdance 22:21, 03/29/2016

join

yo peeps, im back for more ~Bramble Raining Easter Love (Egg Basket) 04:44, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead — Kαšαяα everything that kills me makes me feel alive 15:19, March 28, 2016 (UTC)

Join

I'm a kit on WW's PCA. Anyways, can I join? --

Neon Skylite "Just take a chance with me!" (Talk Page!) 07:47, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

join?

heyo, can i join this project? - jasminemoon you are my star 16:44, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Join? Request

May I join? spookycat27merp de merp merp 03:13, 12/02/2016

Kitten/Juvenile/Adult Images

Hi, I've decided to make a discussion about whether or not we should use the kitten/juvenile/adult image system (basically for those that aren't familiar just using kit, apprentice, and warrior blanks instead of having individual blanks for each rank). I've noticed this is a trend on a few other rp wikis, and while I know some people will disagree as then there will be less images for a character, but at the same time it keeps things much more organized and makes this site less of an image storing site and just a place for fun.

I mean I completely understand that only having to make three images per cat might suck and be too easy, but like really I don't think we need a system quite like Warriors Wiki to portray our characters since our characters can change at any given moment.

Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense I'm like low-key tired after a shift. But anyway, feel free to voice your opinions and whether or not we should implement this as our new charart system. Because I'd like to revamp the project in the future.

#seaworldsucks 04:15 Fri Dec 2 2016

(Short and sweet, lots of emotional stress currently) I prefer just the three stages of age, if it gets "too simple" a possible senior stage blank could be incorporated into the mix, I'd imagine. It'd make things at least a bit less "easy".Nyan2Silverstar Nyan 04:20, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

(all good mate, i hope you're okay so i'm sending my love <3)

Exactly, like down the track if there is a point where this discussion arises again then a fourth blank can be incorporated into the system easily. I don't really have much more to say on this topic, so I'll wait for other feedback from the rest of the project and I'll finish updating the main project page. #seaworldsucks 04:33 Fri Dec 2 2016

I agree with only having the three blanks, and like mentioned above, we could always add a fourth. {{SUBST:User:Patchfeather14/Sig}} 04:39, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Ya'll are gonna hate me for this, but I agree with the system but wth the fourth blank, it can be the elder for the cats who reach their elderhood perhaps? That way its just four easy blanks. Because having so many ranks really is frustrating. Legit Boss 05:07, December 2, 2016 (UTC)

Well, I feel as though this should be implemented seeing as we have 4 out of 6 votes of yes/approval of this being the system. I'll finish the page and have only those blanks be available from the front page.

But on the topic of a fourth blank, I just did a couple of super quick google searches, and realistically an elderly cat is just a very battered looking adult. So perhaps this hypothetical fourth blank might be useless, seeing as people can heavily tweak their cat's adult image, and probably add that in as an alternate image or something. #seaworldsucks 05:32 Fri Dec 2 2016

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